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Postby dadman » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:18 pm

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Jones: The good die young. Sometimes the- the wrong people get healed. And often the wrong fucker gets resurrected.

Man’s voice: Isn’t that so?

Crowd: That’s right.

Jones: (Laughs) You know what I’m talking about.

Crowd: That’s right, that’s right. (Applause)

Man’s voice: (Unintelligible)

Jones: Shift, shift. But I’m glad-
I’m awfully glad for one thing, that we’re not cursed with immortality.

Voices in crowd: Right, that’s right.

Jones: ‘Cause that would be one goddamn miserable thing, if you uh, had to be assured that you could never die when they took you in prison. I don’t care for myself but for you, my babies, uh, my darlings, you’re all my children, I love with my soul and my mind, my heart to the fullest capacity, more purely than anybody’ll ever love probably in your time. I’m so glad that there’s a point where you die.

Voices in crowd: Right.

[radio in background from time to time]

Jones: If they torture you, you go unconscious. That’s a form of death. They can put you in shit up and b- and drown you in it, but at some point, you go unconscious into a sleep, and you don’t feel it. They can electrocute you or they can do what they did to that man last night on that movie, that was a real life movie and everybody should study it someplace if we live through this White Night, which we likely will. You should study it and see what that man- how he was tortured. But he should never have given a word. I believe that people can be steeled to not reveal information.

Voices in crowd: That’s right.

Jones: That they can have such dignity and control pain. But it takes training. You gotta train yourself. That’s why every nurse should report anybody that makes a big fuss about taking a shot or having som- when the doctor has to look in somebody’s act- uh, asshole and they make a big fuss, or in their vagina or he has to push on something and it hurts, and they scream, that person ought to be reported, because that person’s a potential traitor.

Voices in crowd: That’s right. That’s right.

Jones: It’s awful quiet now.

Crowd: (Louder) That’s right, that’s right. (Applause)

Jones: We have too many instances in history where there’re people in South Africa who’ve been tortured for twelve years and fifteen years, and in Argentina for nine, and Chile going on five, and never have spoken a word. You can train yourself. You say I’m not ready tonight. No, but you can begin. Babies begin to walk by crawling. And some of you gonna have to start crawling. But I can tell by the actions of some of you, that you are caught up entirely in the bullshit you carried over from the United States.

Crowd: That’s right.

Jones: (Voice builds) I can tell by your walk, I can tell by your conversation, I can tell by your love for entertainment, you never find your ass in a library, but you’re always waltzing, dancing or carrying your fucking record around in your head or your little b- little uh, recording device. And that’s all right. I call it decadent. I want you to know, I call it decadent. You would never see me listen to that shit, because I call it decadent. That’s the old part of me that I remember that I want dead, because when that shit gets revived, I feel a bit of capitalism in me, and I don’t want it. But I’m tolerant of you to give them time to grow. It is a rather shameful thing to see some that are old and ought to have enough sense to know better, still at it, but it looks to me if you got time to trip out on music – Thank you – it looks to me if you have- if you have time for music and have time for dancing and have time for wooing and all that bullshit called love and romance, it looks to me, by God, that you ought to have a little time once in a while, get out your book or listen to me when I pour out my voice over the mi- uh, the microphone, or to read something about the introduction of socialism or listen to your goddamn good teachers. It looks to me like you could at least do something once in a while that had something to do with socialism betides- bes- besides all the time having your mind on a fuck or on some rhythm or another.

Crowd: (Applause)

Jones: I want you to know, there’s only one goddamn reason at all I’m interested in entertainment here, is that that socialism can be gotten across, that we can invade in the auditoriums and with socialist themes and by good entertainment and cooperation and synchronization and harmony, show that socialist communes can work. That’s my reason to go to New York- to Georgetown. I don’t know what the fuck some of you are going for, but I know what the fuck I’m going for, and I’ll tell you, there wouldn’t be one goddamn performance if that wasn’t my goal. That shit would be stopped tomorrow.

Crowd: (Cheers and applause)

Man’s voice: Thank you.

Jones: (Calms) Peace. (Pause) I mean when I see people dance six hours in a night-

Voices in crowd: That’s right.

Jones: I’m really nervous about you, and I think that’s what brings on White Nights to some degree.

Voices in crowd: Yes.

Jones: You see, I haven’t eaten today, so you’ll have to excuse me, to get a little protein in my system because I have-

Crowd: (Murmurs)

Jones: -a lack- But I think we undoubtedly bring on some of our vibrations, ’cause every goddamn time we get caught up in too easy-going, everything going peacefully and blissfully, doing our own thing, along comes another crisis.

Voices in crowd: Right, right.

Jones: I thought last night, I saw- I saw this shit over here. I- I- I- I didn’t give a goddamn about the movie, ’cause I don’t give a fuck about a movie. Only to watch strategy. I was interested in that assassination thing, ’cause I want to learn all I can about assassination. Jackal, the- the- the Night of the Jackal, or whatever it is. The Day of the Jackal. But I wanted to get as far away as I could from this place.

Man’s voice: That’s right.

Jones: And the radio didn’t need me- they could communicate with me, I said, well, you communicate with me, ’cause I cannot stand this shit. Two hours of it, three hours of it, but when it goes six hours, I think people are crazy.

Crowd: Right.

Jones: I want you to know, I think you’re crazy. Anybody that does it for six hours, I think you’re crazy.

Crowd: (Applause)

Voice: (Unintelligible) -all night.

Jones: This shit lasted till three o’clock in the morning.

Crowd: That’s right. (Murmurs)

Jones: I don’t want to watch comedies. They tried to put a comedy on last night, I said oh no, no, no. If I’m going to watch movies, I want to watch the Mafia kill, ’cause I c- I won’t kill for such shit as they did, but I will kill our enemies if they hurt you.

Crowd: Right.

Jones: So I’ll watch every kind of trick and trade I can in the movies. At least it makes a little more sense to watch a movie than this shit. I- I- I come by in one hour, and I see you doing the same movement. Come back the next hour, you’re stoing- still doing the same movement. You look like a bunch of dummies being pulled on by puppet strings.

Crowd: (Cheers and applause)

Jones: And you’ll never see me watch a comedy. You’ll never see me go in to watch a movie that’s a comedy. Comedies don’t teach me shit. I don’t need to laugh while two out of three babies are going to bed hungry. I’m not making you feel the way I do, but I’m just telling you, I’m just telling you where I’m coming from. If you can show me a movie on how somebody’s killing somebody or planning a revolution- And I don’t like killing, I’m a nonviolent person, I don’t like anything but peace. But by God, that Jackal to- teaches you some ways. In fact, it teaches so well, it’s banned. We got it by special (chuckles) concession, you might say. (Pause) Before that movie goes back on the boat, if we’re still here, you should read it. Study it. Learn all you can- Study from it. The book’s even better, but you look at that fucking film, you can get some ideas. (Pause) ‘Cause they almost got one dictator, and it’s a true story, because it showed just exactly the nature of the- our good ally France and how they do their own army, and they teach their army to protect their land, and then when it’s no longer popular, they destroy their own army. (Chuckles) The army that really takes their nationalism seriously, uh, uh- oh, Christ. Politics. The world of politics. But it’s a- it’s a real revelation how- how they wiped out the- the- the bravest element of the French army, and they were the only ones had any guts to take on DeGaulle [Charles DeGaulle, former President of France]. ‘Cause you’re gonna be something, I say be it. If you’re gonna be a capitalist, be it all the goddamn way. If you’re going to be a nationalist, be it all the way. But anything I hate is a funky ass middle-of-the-road liberal that won’t stand up for anything and falls for everything.

Crowd: That’s right. (Applause)

Jones: Peace. But I believe that the only honorable thing is to be a socialist, an international socialist.

Voices in crowd: Right.

Jones: Not a provincial- provincial national socialist. Okay. I’ve covered some territory that is necessary as way of background because some of you think it’s perfectly all right, that that’s why- what you came over here for, I guess, is to dance six hours. I thought we understood we didn’t go beyond twelve o’clock, but I thought I’ll just not interfere and see how long it lasts, and it went till three.

Crowd: (Murmurs)

[radio in background from time to time]

(Tape edit)

Jones: We’re talking about international matters here. Okay. Give ’em. Maybe we can understand- the goddamn people can understand where it is. They’ll listen, maybe they’ll listen-

Paula Adams: (Off mike) Want me to finish it first? (Unintelligible)

Jones: Yes, and then go back over it, yes, afterwards. So they understand the crucial matters here.

Adams: (Off mike) He’s said uh, he’s done a couple things to irritate the (unintelligible). He’ll be visiting the USSR soon, as a tentative date’s been set for April.

Jones: Well, that’s good news.

Adams: (Off mike) -and even though the financial situation, Burnham made a strong socialist speech recently-

Jones: Yes, he did. He made a strong socialist speech, plus he called today for- theChronicle called for the reunification of both Koreas, which will be a burr in the United States’ ass.

Adams: (Off mike) Thank you.

Jones: We got a- What we have here is a distinctly brave or braver or posturing of- of a brave nature of, of a revolutionary uh, Marxist-Leninist Soviet line. And we got another side uh, that’s more moderate, uh, we’ve got another element that is uh, pro-US. But the Prime Minister seems to be taking a very strong position one.

Adams: (Off mike) He said Wills [Fred Wills, Guyana Minister of Foreign Affairs] doesn’t feel we should let you go into town because of Guyana’s need for money and-

Jones: He thinks that’ll interfere with me if I go into town?

Adams: (Off mike) Um-hmm [Yes]. He thinks (Unintelligible word) will make our case better.

Jones: Look at the negative side.

Adams: (Into mike) Okay. It was discussed about our activity- They had a big meeting over the weekend and it was the top, top people, the prime minister, and the top five in the government, and it was disc-

Jones: The top five are?

Adams: Uh- Is Dr. Reid, Hoyte, Green, (Pause) uh, Shirley Field-Ridley [Guyana Minister of Information], Hubert Jack [Guyana Minister of Energy and Natural Resources]. Did I leave anyone out? I think that’s it. No, that’s it, that’s it.

Jones: Six.

Adams: Well, it includes the prime minister.

Jones: Oh, five plus the prime minister?

Adams: Five. Right. And it was discussed at this big meeting, this weekend of our involvement, dedication and commitment, and that’s in con- connection with the WRS and the PNC, and Hoyte asked Burnham what was the position towards us. He asked-

Jones: Hoyte’s the one I don’t trust. (Louder) And you better wake up, honey, now we are talking about something. He might get interested.

Crowd: (Murmurs)

Adams: Because of our- because of uh- Hoyte asked him because of his interest in the flights, the GDF [Guyana Defense Force] flights in the article and-

Jones: Yes, now what- now what about the GDF flights?

Crowd: (Murmurs)

Jones: Prime minister of the country’s Burnham.

Man’s voice: There he is.

Jones: Here he is, right here. Burnham. He’s the prime minister. Christ, they know that,don’t they, being in all these socialist classes?

Crowd: (Murmurs)

Jones: Oh, well, the new one. Yeah, that’s true. Hoyte’s minister of development. Green’s the minister of health and labor. Jack, I don’t know. Hubert Jack [Guyana Minister of Energy and Natural Resources] is-

Adams: (Off mike) Energy and Natural Resources.

Jones: We keep hearing he’s closer to the prime minister than Hoyte would be in case anything happened to Reid. Reid would be the next prime minister, who’s my friend who’d made the door open, opened the door for us to get in here, just hours before the lid come down on us in the United States. Just hours. ‘Cause there was a lot of opposition to us being- uh, this is the first time they’ve ever let a g- a large number of people settle any country like this. And uh, Jack is what? Minister of what?

Adams: (Off mike) Energy and natural resources.

Jones: Miniger- Minister of Energy and Natural Resources. He was here with his wife. She- they both seemed impressed. Uh, Green’s been kind. We’ve made an overture to Green, I think puts us in fair step with- with Green.

Adams: (Off mike) And he is one of the power blocs in the party-

Jones: He’s one of the power blocs uh, in the party. Uh- Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. (Tape edit) Now- Do you understand what I am talking about?

Crowd: (Murmurs)

Adams: Okay. So Hoyte asked that- he asked him straight up what was the position towards us. He asked the prime minister.

Jones: That’s what I am interested in. Why’d he ask about the GDF, and the uh, what was- what was he asking about the GDF and what else? Guyana Defense Force. We’ve been a good friend uh, with the head of the army. That’s what I made an effort to get a head of the- all the army, navy and marines. He been to our uh, house just within the last few days for dinner. And he’s been consistently friendly. He gave up a plane seat to Dr. Schacht in his private plane to- she and an Amerindian lady, so you got socialists- he and an Amerindian lady, who was, you know, a poor lady, and he was willing to do that, even though he’s the head of the entire Guyana Defense Force. Their army, their navy, and their air force. Well, all their defense. And he’s a nice, homey kind of a guy, drinks a bit much, but he’s a nice sort of guy. You certainly never would see anybody, the head of the army in the United States give his seat up for anybody.

Voices in crowd: That’s right.

Jones: So you can’t expect perfection. I’m trying to show you that there’s all qualities here, some really genuinely good, kindly, socialist people, and you got naturally in a small country, the CIA’s uh, bought off some. You can bet your ass on that. Go on.

Man’s voice: (Unintelligible)

Okay.

Jones: (Angrily) Shut your goddamn mouth. I do mean shut your mouth. (Pause) We’re in a state of emergency now. Till we get out of it, these are emergency sessions and you dobehave a little differently in emergency sessions.

Voices in crowd: Right, that’s right.

Jones: (Calms) Now, go ahead with what you were saying.

Adams: Okay, um. Hoyte was- the background of this GA- GDF flight was Hoyte has uh, some jealousy over us being able to get GDF flights whereas uh, people in M- Matthews Ridge and Port Kaituma or the region have complained, that it’s more difficult for them, and so he has tried to interfere and cut that access off, and in fact has- We have- are now charged for those GDF flights.

Jones: What’s that now? What’s that now?

Adams: I was going to read-

Jones: I’m sorry. (Stumbles over words) That’s what I wanted, I answered my own question. And he’s responsible, that Hoyte’s responsible for that, us being charged for those GDF flights, ’cause we were told by uh, someone that he trusted that likes us that that was going to happen and it happened as when- and within in a week. We used to didn’t get charged for any GDF flights. They’d give it to us for nothing. ‘Course that- I don’t know that you expect that, because that’s a hell of a cost on a government to send a flight out every time you want one, but anyway, we’d gotten it until this son of a bitch Hoyte, which I don’t- I don’t trust. He’s one of the top five. Go ahead. Now what- what happened about the- He was asking a question about the GDF?

Adams: Now this was Wills’ reason, what Wills felt was what prompted his uh- his interest in- in approaching the prime minister about us. (Pause) (Off mike) Go ahead.

Jones: He- he was in- interested in that subject. GDF and what else?

Adams: And the article. I mean the article about us-

Jones: (Off mike) What’s going on down there? Hey hey hey! (Pause) Hi there, friend. Hmm? (Pause) Go ahead. Get some goddamn order here.

Adams: So.

Jones: We- You- You gotta- You gotta learn- you got to learn some more about uh, organization and some attentiveness here. Now I mean it.

Voices in crowd: (Unintelligible)

Adams: So Hoyte asked Burnham straight up what was the position towards us, and Burnham made the reply that it was- we would win the cus- custody case and the arrest orders would be dropped, and the type he said-

Jones: That means the custody cases we’re had uh, with John [Victor Stoen] and Dana [Truss] and all those cases, they’ll be dropped and the arrest orders will be dropped. Now go on.

Adams: The top five people who I just named are aware of the decision, and Wills talked to Burnham directly about this, and in response to Hoyte, uh, who has not been too favorable, whether he will carry out whatever decisions are made. Uh, Wills said because-

Jones: (Angrily interrupts from off mike) (Unintelligible) -goddamn attention and get them out of there. (Pause) (Calm) Go ahead.

Adams: He said because Hoyte- it goes straight down the line for Burnham- that he will be even more careful to support the decision, because he disagrees with it. Wills said it was a complete victory, but he didn’t think we should push on the following things, because right now Guyana needs money, and they are trying to get loans from various countries. Uh, the two points that he made that he didn’t feel we should push on, one was he- they have made the decision that Tim Stoen will not be allowed in Guyana. He will not be allowed to step foot in Guyana-

Jones: (Angrily interrupts) Will you wake up? Now stand up if you can’t- Now listen folks. You’ll have to- Goddamn it, I’m- I’m- I’m- I’m serious about this. Now, I want people to stay alert during a wa- war situation. Now White Nights, we’re going to have to stay al- we’re going to have to stay alert. It is our- a democracy and everybody has to participate in what the hell’s going on. You got to think. You have a privilege to have land to fight for. You got a privilege to have a cause to live for. You got a privilege, even if it’s necessary, todie for it-

Voices in crowd: That’s right.

Jones: But by God, you ought to be res- required to stay alert and alive on these nights. Now, I want people to circulate more- there one woman here in the third row just sleeps allthe time. Now, I want it stopped.

Voices in crowd: Right, right. Thank you, Dad, thank you, Dad.

Adams: He said-

Jones: Watch your neighbor. (Pause) Go ahead.

Adams: The decision was that Tim Stoen will not be allowed to even step foot in Guyana-

Jones: I wasn’t pointing no gun at ya, honey. When this thing- when this li- little cannon goes off, I have to cock it, so don’t be worrying about it. That’d- that’d probably be the only thing that would wake up some of you though.

Crowd: (Stirs)

Jones: (Clears throat) I wouldn’t waste that kind of thing, you know, on our- our- on our own people. This son of a bitch isn’t just a- a plaything. (Coughs) Go ahead.

Adams: So Wills- this- this thing about Tim Stoen not being allowed to come into Guyana is a- is a very big breakthrough because he- they’re risking-

Jones: I gather it is a breakthrough-

Adams: Uh, they’re risking relations between America and Guyana by making someone uh, persona non grata who has-

Jones: Not welcome. ‘Cause they could turn around, the United States, and say cer- Americans couldn’t land either. That’s quite uh, quite significant if it’s true. I don’t believe everything I’m told, but I’m listening.

Adams: So anyway- Wills felt that we should allow Tim Stoen to come in and find out the results, because he doesn’t think that we should put Guyana in a position where they would have- feel any economic strain, I mean, you know, that would break relations. And the second point he made was that uh, Dad should not come to town before the decision comes down from the judge, because it will look like the rules were bent in Dad’s favor and that it- justice was not done. And that- fur- and then he went on further, and he said, Burnham has done a couple of things to irritate the United States in regards to their loan policy-

Jones: International Monetary Fund, that- that means we might have a- have a real nice full class revolution which I’d like. I’m glad when he irritates USA.

Adams: One thing that uh, that irritated them was that he’ll be visiting the U- the USSR very soon. There’s a tentative date set in April, and the second thing was even though uh, the fina- the financial situation is like it is, Burnham made a very strong socialist speech. And Wills didn’t feel we should have Dad go into town because of Guyana’s need for money.

Jones: (Whispers) Okay. (Unintelligible) Okay.

Man’s voice: (Unintelligible)

Jones: Uh-huh. Is it- What is it?

(Tape edit – Pause)

Jones: Pay off the judge who’s a fucking US agent. Clark says we ought to pay off the judge. It’ll be doubly secured if we’ll pay off the judge. They pay off judges [in the] United States all the time, honey. You got a few of the old bastards left here, just like them. Don’t sound to me like you have to pay off the judge there, but this- Clark says (Stumbles over words) depends on who knows what’s going on.

Adams: He said it would be a very- He said it would be a very serious thing against us if we did pay him off and got caught.

Jones: (Laughs) Yeah, I would think so.

[radio in background from time to time]

Adams: And- And he said he would uh, talk to Dr. Reid tomorrow, and he said he would try to push on the decision coming down soon. We tried to find out- if you- I think he was try- going to talk to Dr. Reid already, but he had tried to make it out to sound like he was talking on our behalf. But he said that Dr. Reid did something very wonderful for- for Wills-

Jones: That’s good. That’s good. All right, you have the essentials. Now, I- I don’t know what we’re gone do to get people to wake. Goddamn it, [Emphatic] I do not know. Maybe- Maybe I can get your attention.

Man: You’d better (Unintelligible word)-

Voice: (Unintelligible) Move out of the way. Move!

Jones: Now I’m- I’m- I’m going to wake up some folk around here. (Pause) You better stay awake. This is your problem, and this is a cop-out not to think.

Voices in crowd: That’s right.

Jones: Plus some people need to be remindful, they ever walk over the hills, so they tell just exactly what kind of capability we have here.

Voices in crowd: That’s right.

Jones: ‘Cause we know that some of you may walk. Uh- So we want you to be- made damn sure you tell just exactly the smut- some of our minor power, ’cause we don’t use all of it. Go ahead. Prime minister having trouble?

Crowd: (Laughter)

Jones: Okay. Okay. Now that you have- you have the- you have the position. Mingo may not know what’s going on because this- uh, the meeting was yesterday, and he may be fear- fearful to speak about Hoyte and that’s why he’s talking favorable to Hoyte, because Hoyte, he’s not usually in the five, the big five, and so Mingo is a nobody, he’s just a liaison, in terms of the big cabinet members, he’s a- he- he’s head of immigration home affairs, but he doesn’t have the power of these big five that she’s talking about. So that may be why he was unfriendly and smart-assed about uh, different matters. (Stumbles over words) The observation was that uh, Mingo, when he doesn’t know what the hell’s going on, and he obviously doesn’t know the results of yesterday’s meeting, if that meeting was as positive as that, I can’t believe he knows those results of it. (Pause) Uh, uh- okay. Now, where were we?

Lee Ingram: First, who- who controls the GDF?

Jones: Who controls the GDF?

Man’s voice: Burnham.

Jones: Burnham controls it.

Ingram: But is there- is there like a- a minister like, you know, like he has one guy that was head of-

Jones: (Unintelligible) Brigadier Price-

Ingram: But is he a cabinet member, though?

Jones: No.

Ingram: What- What cabinet member controls it?

Jones: Nobody. Burnham. He’s the com- commander.

Ingram: What kind of influence does- does Hoyte have on Burnham then? I mean if Bur- if Burnham knows that we’ve been a show pi- showpiece in the Northwest District and-

Jones: Can some-

[radio in background from time to time]

Ingram: -sounds good in- in terms of our medical facility for some of the-many of the people in the Northwest District, what kind of influence doesHoyte have, Desmond Hoyte over Burnham, who is in charge of GDF? (Pause) Because Burnham obviously (Unintelligible under radio) Burnham obviously-

Jones: Will you get your eyes forward up here and listen to him? (Pause)

Ingram: Bur- Burnham obviously must realize by this time what we’ve done good, we’ve done good by the country in the Northwest District, we’ve been one of the most disciplined exercises that they have in- in the Northwest- Notone of the, we the most disciplined exercise in the Northwest District, andcertainly we haven’t depended upon the government for any aid. We’ve done everything, in terms of medical anyway, on our own to help the uh- the uh, you know, native Guyanese here, so what kind of force is Hoyte exerting on Burnham, if- if in fact Burnham does have control over the GDF? Why has Burnham relented?

Jones: (Off mike) Well, you might want to present it.

Various voices: (Unintelligible) (Pause)

Jones: He has- he has- he has a good point, though who- uh. Can he tell the GDF what to do without going to the prime minister?

Various voices: (Unintelligible)

Jones: (Exasperated) Please wake up. (Pause)

Woman’s voice: (Unintelligible) –so I came down–

Ingram: Uh- (Pause) Uh, for those that are new, uh, F- Wills, Fred Wills used to be the foreign minister, and is- and is no longer the foreign minister, uh, maybe due to his own neglect or what have you but-

Jones: Yeah, but he’s just been given uh- he’s just been given another position. Uh- the reason he was- Yeah, the neglect, that’s a good point though-

Ingram: Uh, but the- the point I wanted to make was, I don’t know how and I don’t- I don’t think- well, we would definitely consider anyway any- any advice, but I wouldn’t (Clears throat) be inclined to react on his advice because of his- you know, because of the uh, harassments and hassles he’s had recently, and you just- you said he’s recently been appointed, you know, given a new appointment, but I think the only way, you know, with or without Wills, we’ve gone through a number of White Nights and we’ve, you know, fortunately because of your strategy, you know, come through them, and I think it’s only been because of your bravado and y- acting, you know, as a crazy nigger that we’ve come through them, and uh, we- we been- they’re talking about, you know, an- an economic- economics in terms of Gu- of Guyana and not going into uh- into the capital because it put- would put economic strain on Guyana. Well, Guyana’s going to go through turmoil right now because it’s still, you know, sort of a fledgling nation trying to, you know, it’s developing actually, but my point is, I wouldn’t readily personally take ad- uh, Wills’ advice about not going in, and I’m not so anxious about them suggesting, you know, the AMA, you know, the AMA coming in here and uh, the press, media coming in here. Uh, it would stand to us a disservice. It would be a very stupid move. We’ve done well, you know, as I said before, we’ve done well by the Northwest District with our medical service.

Man 3: Could I- (Pause) Well, one of the things that I can’t understand is uh, that the government has allowed our doctor to treat people in this territory, up in this northwest territory, well, by them not stopping him (Clears throat) from treating people in this territory, that means they’ve sanctioned him treating people in this territory. And so uh, in essence, they’ve said he’s a qualified doctor to treat people in this territory, if they didn’t stop him, other than our people. So I can’t see why that they wouldn’t uh, wouldn’t give him a license or a- ’cause they’ve said by not stopping him-

Jones: (Angrily interrupts) Now listen, son, you better wake up, now goddamn it. (Pause) Grown adults.

Man 3: By uh, not stopping him from treating people, they have said that he’s a qualified doctor and should be allowed to have a license.

Various voices: (Unintelligible)

[radio in background from time to time]

Larry Schacht: They’ve uh- I was wondering about this uh, Hoyte interfering with the GDF uh, and his uh, thing I think is the same as Dr. Baird, who’s the chief medical officer here trying to interfere with me getting a license, is that he has- they’re both working together. I don’t know uh, who they’re representing, buttheir main uh, argument they’re always throwing is that we don’t really serve this region, and we do serve this region because people come in here all the time. There’re people coming in uh, four or five a day, every day now and um-

Jones: Now let’s uh- let’s put this in perspective too, so people will uh, have the right degree of security or insecurity. What we’re asking is an unheard-of situation. We’re asking that he not be put through the normal year that any other doctor be put, though, that would get a license here.

Schacht: Internship.

Jones: Internship. We’re demanding– and not asking, we’ve been demanding, so why don’t we put that in protect uh, uh, there be no question he’d be given a license tomorrow, if he had the internship in a Guyanese hospital. We say we cannot afford to have our doctor removed from here, with the reactionaries that would observe if anything went wrong, and uh, we will not do it, with people coming in here with emergencies, we will not be caught without a doctor. We say that his consultations on amateur radio and his uh, keen interest in the medical library and experimentation is uh, adequate enough- particularly in view of the no-good assholes they’ve got from the old regime holdover, uh, the British colonial system up there in the hospital that I wouldn’t let treat a- a rat.

Crowd: (Murmurs)

Jones: So that’s our demand, but our demand’s pretty heavy. We’ve made the same demand on the pharmacist, and they p- They’ve allowed them to practice, and he does have a license. It’s provisional. He’s not operating under- without any license. I don’t know what that provisional license now, I can’t remember all the details, one of the attorneys may, but he does have a license, but it is not- huh?

Voice: (Unintelligible)

Jones: It’s a- It is not a full license, and I know these sophisticated bigots that come from the United States are going to ask that, the first thing they come in here, and I’m not going to have a bunch of AMA doctors in here without him being fully credentialed.

Voices in crowd: That’s right. That’s right.

Jones: If they want to make us a showpiece, then they can give us something for it.

Crowd: That’s right. That’s right, that’s it.

Jones: The arrest orders’ been on me and on Joyce Touchette over these kids since, hell, September. Now if they wanted to arrest me very badly, uh, Inspector Benjamin’s been in here, and Inspector Brown, the commander of the police. Uh, if they wanted to arrest me, they’da- they’da tried to arrest me when they come to visit me. They’da tried to arrest me when I was in Port Kaituma and speaking to two thousand people. They said there were two thousand people that was packed in the auditorium and outside, the principal said, and it looked a hell of a lot of a crowd to me. They were on the rafters.

Crowd: (Laughs)

Jones: They coulda arrested me then if they had wanted to arrest me.

Crowd: That’s right.

Jones: But they’re saying if I go into uh- see, I’m in violation of law. I refuse to turn over people. The United States at first, when the government was weak, and all the leaders were outside of the country, they let- they- they let the United States conspiracy get here and make a court case in the court here. Do you understand that?

Crowd: Yeah.

Jones: And so they started a legal action demanding that I turn over child and that Joyce turn over the child, and we refused. So we’re in violation of the law. And I said, we will die before we turn over any chi- child. It was Dana, and uh, they- one- one attorney represented Dana Truss and uh, John my son. I guess all of you know the background of John being my son, don’t you?

Crowd: Yes, yes, yes.

Jones: Anybody didn’t know he was my son? If you’ve been listening at home, you’d know that-

Crowd: (Murmurs)

Jones: All the new people know that?

Crowd: Yes, yes.

Jones: ‘Cause Tim Stoen was running around in women’s clothing, and he may have been a provocateur from the beginning. Shit. Dr. Reid s- said this morning, he said it looked like a set-up to him, to try to get me in a bag, and it could be, could be. Hell, those fascists have ways of working, ’cause we found on Tim Stoen that he was in East German- the com- the communist German uh, republic, the German Democratic Republic, of which even the United States’ press has had to admit is a very uh, flourishing uh, economy and there- they’ve done such wonderful things for the Jews. They’ve guaranteed every Jew, for what they went through in Hitler’s Germany, 600-dollar pension per month. Every Jew. Whereas in Germany, all the Jews have been- the West Germany, US z- zone, capitalist Germany- the Jews have had to flee, they’re going through terror, there’s only about five thousand Jews left in the entire country. So uh, we found that Stoen was in East German Democratic Republic and went to jail for some kind of activity, subversive activities, and he denied he’d ever been there, and we’ve got a news article showing he was there before he ever came to our church. If you don’t believe it, we got the article, we’ll let you read it. So he may’ve been an agent a long, long way back, a long, long time ago. But anyway, he would run around in women’s clothing, and Grace [Stoen] was about to leave him, he was having a shit fit. (Emphatic) Wake up goddamn it! (Pause) Everybody get settled in one place, in one position. That’s it. Please realize, as I said, that we are in war time situation. It’s too bad some of you didn’t get out there in the war and realize-

Crowd: That’s right, right.

Jones: -what was- what it is to fight for what you believe.

Crowd: That’s right, right.

Jones: Who’s going around without any clearance- I didn’t give nobody no clearance. (Louder) Hold it! Stand up please, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up. Now you people going to take notice that we’re in a war emergency room?

(A bang – sounding like a gun discharge. General background noises described on FBI review as a bullet shell falling on the floor and the cocking of a rifle.)

Jones: The next time I’m going to fire it over your heads. (Pause) Sit down. (Pause) Now, if you want to get out of here, you clear it. You clear it. I don’t want to put the gun on our own people. How do we know that one of you not a CIA agent when you moving?

Crowd: Right. That’s right.

Jones: It’s funny, since the last ship- uh, group came in, all this shit began, we’d had weeks of peace.

Crowd: That’s right.

Jones: Funny kind of correlation. (Pause)

Man’s voice: So true.

[radio in background from time to time]

Jones: Maybe there some knowledge of our activities and mood. Mood. Maybe somebody communicated something since they’ve been here.

Man’s voice: Right, right.

Jones: Now take- take consideration. You’re not going to threaten the well-being, the well-being of a thousand people. You’re not going to threaten the well-being of a thousand- It won’t do any good to change- to change. (Tape edit) One person has no right to take it upon themselves to move around when they please.

Voices in crowd: Right, right, right, that’s right Dad.

(Feedback) (Long pause)

Jones: (Sighs)

Ingram: I- I- I ma- I maintain that- that you know, somebody, somebody, and it could be some little puke is just trying to play us out of pocket and the reason this doing- they’re doing that, because we are a definitely a threat, but more- more than that, it’s some little jive-assed punk that’s not doing their job, in- in one level or another that’s not doing their job, and they’re getting shown up by us. And the only way I think- I maintain that the only way to back down apunk is to tell him what you’re going to do. Don’t wait for them to tell you. You tell them to back off or get the hell out of your way.

Crowd: Right. That’s right. (Applause)

Woman 2: I- I wanted to know what- for what reason was the AMA coming into Jonestown with the press?

Jones: Oh, you see. That’s a good question. Comrade inspector, that’s a good uh- good uh- good uh, question. When all this shit broke loose in the United States, and they tried to get congressmen to work against us, we had to work like hell. I had to send Mother after I healed her of cancer when she was going to die, and I healed her and told the people here the night that they found the cancer injected into her body, and some of you still ought to look at those records, ’cause it will make a believer out of you, when you need to protect your children, that’s the only reason I uh, want us to maintain healing, because it’s so effective, when you see a child crippled or a child blind like David Goodwin was or even for that matter Sister [Orde] Dennis and I don’t know how many other children we’ve had blind – Norya [Blair], Tommy Beikman. Norya the other night, Norya was in uh- his brain was damaged and he couldn’t wake him- Did you know that? This child knocked him down, and he couldn’t be w- roused, couldn’t get him up, and Marceline said, what do we do? And I said nothing. He’ll be okay. Now that’s power.

Crowd: Yeah, right. (Applause)

Jones: That’s power. (Pause) Now I don’t like to waste our shells, but I do think that there may be some people out there that need to take note tonight. We don’t normally do any shooting unless we’re being shot at. We uh- Later on we may shoot our flamethrower or our cannon out through the goddamn trees, just in case there’s somebody out there that you got out there, that somebody in here may be communicating with.

Voices in crowd: Yeah, right, all right. (Applause)

Jones: Peace. We have reason to- to believe somebody might be predicting a little bit of our mood and behavior too accurately.

Voices in crowd: Right.

Jones: We have reason to believe that some information might be getting out of here. So if somebody disappears one night, you’ll uh, understand they have been translated like Jesus was.

Crowd: Yeah, right. (Applause)

Jones: Peace. (Pause) Go ahead. Now you asked a good question, I’ll give you the- So they started all this shit, and I tried to get on that radio, that’s why I’m on the radio every night and others assist me when I can’t take it, and I take it night after night and have for months now, building up friends. ‘Cause I knew the United States was empty, even rich people. So I got on there and I told them all about the beauty of this place, even though it’s a multi-racial environment. And people just were fascinated, you know, they’re fascinated. Also I wanted to win some friends because they were jamming us, the CIA was jamming us, we couldn’t get any in- information out. When we wanted to talk to our h- homeland station, they’d jam us. When we had a medical emergency, we didn’t have nobody to go to, they’d jam us. You couldn’t- you couldn’t carry on ten minutes of decent conversation without being jammed. So I decided I’ll turn this shit around, and I have- because I have warmth and people can tell I care, and so I begin to tell them all about this fantastic land and told them about how beautiful it is to live out with nature, and I built up three or four thousand people that have written to us, that have written to us.Rich people, rich people who want to come here. Shit, we could- they could- They’d come here. Then we did that miracle of the uh, birth by consultation, saved a mother and the two children’s lives. We uh, did uh, several miracles like that through medicine and consultation. And uh, so the AMA is so impressed with what we’re doing, they want to come, and maybe one of them is a CIA agent.

Voices in crowd: Right.

(Tape edit)

(Lengthy pause)

[radio in background from time to time]

Jones: Would the person like to uh, confess before we uh, deal with it our way? They said uh, that they were lucky it’s not- not you being sent or something like that to Georgetown uh, for the show or you would run- (Pause) Anybody like to talk about that before we talk about it?

Crowd: Hurry up, speak up, hurry up. (Pause)

Jones: I mean I’m not going to take up a lot of time with you now, honey. It’ll be- There’s an old proverb: one will be taken, the other left. You heard about that proverb? There were two, uh, two by the mill, there was two in their bed and one was taken and the other left?

Voices in crowd: Yeah, right. That’s right, Dad.

Jones: You better get straight with us. Anybody made any kind of comment. That’s not the exact words. About uh, you’d take off, if you were in Georgetown, or you’d take off if you got a chance. You’d better talk about it, honey.

Voices in crowd: Right, that’s right. Stand up.

Jones: Or you can get your tongue moving. (Tape edit)

Voices in crowd: (Unintelligible)

Jones: Yeah well, keep on bl- keep on thinking we’re bluffing. Sleep tight tonight. Sleep tight, good dreams. (Pause) You either talk about it, or honey, you’re gonna pay for it.

Voices in crowd: That’s right, that’s right.

Jones: We have witnesses-

Voices in crowd: That’s right, that’s right.

Jones: (Pause) That’s right, and I keep my word. Won’t nothing will happen to you, if you get up and talk about it now.

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